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Good reporting but it's time to report real speeds, not "up to" claims
Autor: daveburstein 10.06.16 - 03:10
(Forgive my posting in English, please.)
Vectored DSL can deliver 100 megabits to many homes but the available evidence is that many German vectored lines are delivering much less. DT itself now calls vectored DSL 50-100 megabits. In one state filing, they indicated their vectored DSL goes as low as 30 megabits. (In practice, many lines get less and should not be counted as vectored.)
Whether to deliver vectoring at 100 megabits or lower speeds is not a technical issue. It is a business choice to build fewer cabinets to save money. The technology is not the problem; the budget is. Belgium has built enough cabinets that most get the 100 megabits. Australia's NBN has not. Neither is Deutsche Telekom, I infer from the information they have provided.
Germans, not this American reporter, should decide whether the money saved by slower service is appropriate. I do urge that reporters accurately report the actual speeds. If the company refuses to provide that data, we as reporters should use our best estimate of actual speed.
Dave Burstein
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Re: Good reporting but it's time to report real speeds, not "up to" claims
Autor: Ovaron 10.06.16 - 15:40
(forgive my posting in bad english please. Origin (german) is below)
daveburstein schrieb:
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> Vectored DSL can deliver 100 megabits to many homes but the available
> evidence is that many German vectored lines are delivering much less.
In Reality I have friends and family on different locations (small towns, even remote villages with <1000 citizens) who got Vectoring 2015 and 2016. All of them have >90/35 Mbit/s.
> DT itself now calls vectored DSL 50-100 megabits. In one state filing, they
> indicated their vectored DSL goes as low as 30 megabits.
Their terms and conditions are clear and state that 27 Mbit is the absolute minimum for a line sold as "up to 50 Mbit".
> (In practice, many lines get less and should not be counted as vectored.)
In pactise, germans "last mile" is less than 500m for >90%. Lines without vectoring and especially without fttc are mixed in peoples mind and discussions.
> Whether to deliver vectoring at 100 megabits or lower speeds is not a
> technical issue. It is a business choice to build fewer cabinets to save
> money. The technology is not the problem; the budget is. Belgium has built
> enough cabinets that most get the 100 megabits. Australia's NBN has not.
> Neither is Deutsche Telekom, I infer from the information they have
> provided.
It is obvious that you refer to informations from the first ODSLAM-VDSL-Rollout 2010. Things have changed.
> Germans, not this American reporter, should decide whether the money saved
> by slower service is appropriate.
Well, it seems that Germans take their choose. The majority prefers the cheapest offer, I fear.
> I do urge that reporters accurately report the actual speeds.
Ok. So how should they get them?
> If the company refuses to provide that data, we as reporters should use our best
> estimate of actual speed.
Seriously? A reporters that estimates and then reports his estimates? Well...
-- germans original --
(wer sich jetzt totlacht weil ich mir einen abbreche - es sei ihm gegönnt :-)
> Vectored DSL can deliver 100 megabits to many homes but the available
> evidence is that many German vectored lines are delivering much less.
Nun, in der Realität habe ich Freunde, Bekannte und Familienmitglieder in verschiedenen Städten (bis hinunter zu Dörfern mit < 1000 Einwohnern) die 2015 und 2016 Vectoring bekommen haben. Die haben ausnahmslos >90/35 Mbit/s.
> DT itself now calls vectored DSL 50-100 megabits. In one state filing, they
> indicated their vectored DSL goes as low as 30 megabits.
Die AGB sind hier klar und besagen das 27 Mbit die absolute Untergrenze für eine Leitung ist die mit "bis zu 50 Mbit" verkauft wird.
> (In practice, many lines get less and should not be counted as vectored.)
In Realität ist die letzte Meile in Deutschland bei >90% der Haushalte weniger als 500m lang. In den Diskussionen wird nur immer munter die Gesamtlänge (Hauptkabel + VZk) einer Leitung und Leitungen ohne Vectoring mit rein gemischt.
> Whether to deliver vectoring at 100 megabits or lower speeds is not a
> technical issue. It is a business choice to build fewer cabinets to save
> money. The technology is not the problem; the budget is. Belgium has built
> enough cabinets that most get the 100 megabits. Australia's NBN has not.
> Neither is Deutsche Telekom, I infer from the information they have
> provided.
Offensichtlich beziehen sich diese Informationen auf den ersten VDSL-Rollout ab 2010.
Die Strategie wurde zwischenzeitlich geändert, seit 2015 wird wieder investiert.
> Germans, not this American reporter, should decide whether the money saved
> by slower service is appropriate.
Nun, es sieht so aus als ob die Deutschen ihre Wahl treffen. Sie wählen leider in der Mehrzahl die billigste Lösung.
> I do urge that reporters accurately report the actual speeds.
Gute Idee. Nur wie bekommen?
> If the company refuses to provide that data, we as reporters should use our best
> estimate of actual speed.
Echt jetzt? Ein Reporter der sich Annahmen ausdenkt und dann über diese Annahmen berichtet?



